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		<title>Comment on Sociology and Human Rights Education: Beyond the Three Generations? by Melati</title>
		<link>http://societieswithoutborders.org/2011/09/09/sociology-and-human-rights-education-beyond-the-three-generations/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melati]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The blog was aulelbtosy fantastic! Lots of great information andinspiration, both of which we all need!b Keep &#039;em coming... you all dosuch a great job at such Concepts... can&#039;t tell you how much I, forone appreciate all you do!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The blog was aulelbtosy fantastic! Lots of great information andinspiration, both of which we all need!b Keep &#039;em coming&#8230; you all dosuch a great job at such Concepts&#8230; can&#039;t tell you how much I, forone appreciate all you do!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Invoking Human Rights and Transnational Activism in Racial Justice Struggles at Home: US Antiracist Activists and the UN Committee to Eliminate Racial Discrimination by Kezia</title>
		<link>http://societieswithoutborders.org/2010/01/21/invoking-human-rights-and-transnational-activism-in-racial-justice-struggles-at-home-us-antiracist-activists-and-the-un-committee-to-eliminate-racial-discrimination/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kezia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 05:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[China slhoud have been mentioned in this section. The torture of detained Chinese and Tibetan dissidents is common place. There are numerous witness accounts of the methods used. Many prisoners die as a result of the torture. The omission of China from this section is astounding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China slhoud have been mentioned in this section. The torture of detained Chinese and Tibetan dissidents is common place. There are numerous witness accounts of the methods used. Many prisoners die as a result of the torture. The omission of China from this section is astounding.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Bumpy Road from Accra to Addis Ababa: Recollections of an Observer/Participant by Nicol</title>
		<link>http://societieswithoutborders.org/2009/11/20/the-bumpy-road-from-accra-to-addis-ababa-recollections-of-an-observerparticipant/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nicol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[an outntasding blog if i ever seen one.  If you are the type to update your website daily, then you have gained one daily reader in me today. Please keep up the great work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an outntasding blog if i ever seen one.  If you are the type to update your website daily, then you have gained one daily reader in me today. Please keep up the great work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Without Borders: Just One Border for Human Rights by Sashoy</title>
		<link>http://societieswithoutborders.org/2009/11/22/without-borders-just-one-border-for-human-rights/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sashoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It must be aeidttmd that the Mubarak regime was a very oppressive regime that kept the balance in the area with the support of the USA.  That oppression extended to the situation in Palestine.  Hopefully the balance will change now, so the oppression will end in Egypt and Palestine.  There can be a peaceful solution to the area, but it will mean serious changes for everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must be aeidttmd that the Mubarak regime was a very oppressive regime that kept the balance in the area with the support of the USA.  That oppression extended to the situation in Palestine.  Hopefully the balance will change now, so the oppression will end in Egypt and Palestine.  There can be a peaceful solution to the area, but it will mean serious changes for everyone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Principles for Organic Public Sociology: Reflections on Publicly Engaged Research in the San Francisco Homeless Policy Field by Rabia</title>
		<link>http://societieswithoutborders.org/2009/11/22/principles-for-organic-public-sociology-reflections-on-publicly-engaged-research-in-the-san-francisco-homeless-policy-field/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rabia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just weantd to say that I found your web site via Goolge and I am glad I did.  Keep up the good work and I will make sure to bookmark you for when I have more free time away from the books.  Thanks again!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just weantd to say that I found your web site via Goolge and I am glad I did.  Keep up the good work and I will make sure to bookmark you for when I have more free time away from the books.  Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Contested Terrains of Public Sociology: Theoretical and Practical Lessons from the Movement to Defend Public Housing in Pre- and Post-Katrina New Orleans by секс игры</title>
		<link>http://societieswithoutborders.org/2011/02/26/the-contested-terrains-of-public-sociology-theoretical-and-practical-lessons-from-the-movement-to-defend-public-housing-in-pre-and-post-katrina-new-orleans/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[секс игры]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could be the best post I have ever seen...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be the best post I have ever seen&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Submissions by Call for Papers &#171; Societies Without Borders</title>
		<link>http://societieswithoutborders.org/submissions/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Call for Papers &#171; Societies Without Borders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Introduction to the Special Issue: Human Rights Education, Service Learning, and Civic Engagement by Mark Frezzo</title>
		<link>http://societieswithoutborders.org/2011/09/09/introduction-to-the-special-issue-human-rights-education-service-learning-and-civic-engagement/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Frezzo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 04:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Several relevant links on service-learning, peace education, and critical pedagogy:

A link to the Institute for Global Education and Service Learning:
http://www.igesl.org/Institute_for_Global_Education_and_Service_Learning/Home.html

A link to the National Service-Learning Clearinghouse useful website for professors seeking to build and students wishing to join service-learning programs in the United States:
http://www.servicelearning.org/

A link to Transcend International: A Peace Development Environment Network:
http://www.transcend.org/

A link to the Transformative Studies Institute:
http://www.transformativestudies.org/about-2/

Critical Pedagogy on the Web:
http://mingo.info-science.uiowa.edu/~stevens/critped/index.htm

--Mark Frezzo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several relevant links on service-learning, peace education, and critical pedagogy:</p>
<p>A link to the Institute for Global Education and Service Learning:<br />
<a href="http://www.igesl.org/Institute_for_Global_Education_and_Service_Learning/Home.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.igesl.org/Institute_for_Global_Education_and_Service_Learning/Home.html</a></p>
<p>A link to the National Service-Learning Clearinghouse useful website for professors seeking to build and students wishing to join service-learning programs in the United States:<br />
<a href="http://www.servicelearning.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.servicelearning.org/</a></p>
<p>A link to Transcend International: A Peace Development Environment Network:<br />
<a href="http://www.transcend.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.transcend.org/</a></p>
<p>A link to the Transformative Studies Institute:<br />
<a href="http://www.transformativestudies.org/about-2/" rel="nofollow">http://www.transformativestudies.org/about-2/</a></p>
<p>Critical Pedagogy on the Web:<br />
<a href="http://mingo.info-science.uiowa.edu/~stevens/critped/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://mingo.info-science.uiowa.edu/~stevens/critped/index.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8211;Mark Frezzo</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Contested Terrains of Public Sociology: Theoretical and Practical Lessons from the Movement to Defend Public Housing in Pre- and Post-Katrina New Orleans by jesse Dziedzic</title>
		<link>http://societieswithoutborders.org/2011/02/26/the-contested-terrains-of-public-sociology-theoretical-and-practical-lessons-from-the-movement-to-defend-public-housing-in-pre-and-post-katrina-new-orleans/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jesse Dziedzic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 07:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An all round amazingly written article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An all round amazingly written article.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sociology and Human Rights Education: Beyond the Three Generations? by Mark Frezzo</title>
		<link>http://societieswithoutborders.org/2011/09/09/sociology-and-human-rights-education-beyond-the-three-generations/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Frezzo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2011 19:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Personally, I do not subscribe to the idea of “generations”—not least because it presupposes a linear and mechanistic conception of how rights are claimed and brought to fruition (whereas different societies have followed different pathways). For expositional purposes, I found it useful to work through the antiquated “three generations” in order to better illustrate how different types of rights converge in the real world. Similarly, I do not believe in a “hierarchy of rights.” It may be true that political scientists tend to emphasize civil and political rights; sociologists tend to emphasize economic and social rights; and anthropologists tend to emphasize group and cultural rights. But social scientists have found plenty of common ground—in part under the auspices of human rights institutes. 

Concerning the ostensible “third generation” of human rights:
Doubtless, it was the least defined and most highly contested of the supposed “generations.” But there is no doubt that many scholars and activists took it seriously. A relevant quotation from Micheline Ishay’s The History of Human Rights: From Ancient Times to the Globalization Era (2008):

“Drawing on the battle cry of the French Revolution, Cassin identified the four pillars of the [UDHR] as ‘dignity, liberty, equality, and brotherhood. The twenty-seven articles of the declaration were divided among these four pillars…a first pillar, constructed out of the first two articles, stands for human dignity…a second pillar, composed of articles 3-19 of the declaration, invokes the first generation of civil liberties and other liberal rights that were fought for during the Enlightenment; a third pillar, consisting of articles 20-26, addresses the second generation of rights, those related to political, social, and economic equity and championed during the industrial revolution; the fourth, representing articles 27-28, focuses on the third generation of rights, those associated with communal and national solidarity, as advocated during the late nineteenth century and early  twentieth century and throughout the post-colonial era” (3-4).

According to Ishay, the idea of three generations was latent in the UDHR and extrapolated in the ICCPR, the ICESCR, and other documents. Ishay is aware of the inconsistencies built into these documents. As a political and social historian, Ishay is interested in illuminating the role of past struggles in bringing different forms of rights into widespread recognition. In effect, Ishay challenges both teleology (or the idea that rights magically and inevitably unfold over time) and the opposite idea that there has been little progress in human rights. In an effort to combat Eurocentrism, other scholars have emphasized the contributions of non-Western cultures to human rights. I am very receptive to this approach.

It is clear that the so-called “third generation” is often a hodge-podge that includes “aspirational rights” and “soft law.” For example, some authors have placed environmental rights in this category.

In any case, in proposing “rights bundles”—such as longevity, peace, and the full development of the person—I am deliberately moving beyond the three generations and cutting across the categories (civil and political, economic and social, group and cultural). In asserting that rights bundles can be invented, I presuppose (a) that rights are created by a process of claim-making by exploited or marginalized people (and the organizations they produce or support) and claim-recognition by authorities (especially government officials), (b) that the discourse on human rights is malleable and subject to competing interpretations, and (c) that what is “thinkable” in terms of human rights varies across historical time and geographic space. Other authors have proposed different rights bundles. It seems to me that the construction of rights bundles can be a useful exercise for human rights educators. I like the idea of encouraging students to propose and defend packages of rights. At the very least, this is a useful form of skills training. 

In a similar vein, I would encourage students to think through the distinction between “negative” and “positive” rights, the distinction between individual” and “collective” rights, etc. These distinctions can form a useful basis for dialogue even if they do not withstand various tests for defensibility and utility.

There may be an ontological foundation of human rights. Bryan Turner and others have pointed to human vulnerability as a possible basis for universalism. But I did not see the need to address this issue in my article. Whether or not one finds an ontological grounding for human rights may have an influence on whether one believes in the possibility of universalism. For my part, I do believe in the possibility of a non-Eurocentric or global universalism that provides for cultural specificity. But that question leads one into global governance (and the institutions that would comprise it)—an area that falls well beyond the purview of my article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I do not subscribe to the idea of “generations”—not least because it presupposes a linear and mechanistic conception of how rights are claimed and brought to fruition (whereas different societies have followed different pathways). For expositional purposes, I found it useful to work through the antiquated “three generations” in order to better illustrate how different types of rights converge in the real world. Similarly, I do not believe in a “hierarchy of rights.” It may be true that political scientists tend to emphasize civil and political rights; sociologists tend to emphasize economic and social rights; and anthropologists tend to emphasize group and cultural rights. But social scientists have found plenty of common ground—in part under the auspices of human rights institutes. </p>
<p>Concerning the ostensible “third generation” of human rights:<br />
Doubtless, it was the least defined and most highly contested of the supposed “generations.” But there is no doubt that many scholars and activists took it seriously. A relevant quotation from Micheline Ishay’s The History of Human Rights: From Ancient Times to the Globalization Era (2008):</p>
<p>“Drawing on the battle cry of the French Revolution, Cassin identified the four pillars of the [UDHR] as ‘dignity, liberty, equality, and brotherhood. The twenty-seven articles of the declaration were divided among these four pillars…a first pillar, constructed out of the first two articles, stands for human dignity…a second pillar, composed of articles 3-19 of the declaration, invokes the first generation of civil liberties and other liberal rights that were fought for during the Enlightenment; a third pillar, consisting of articles 20-26, addresses the second generation of rights, those related to political, social, and economic equity and championed during the industrial revolution; the fourth, representing articles 27-28, focuses on the third generation of rights, those associated with communal and national solidarity, as advocated during the late nineteenth century and early  twentieth century and throughout the post-colonial era” (3-4).</p>
<p>According to Ishay, the idea of three generations was latent in the UDHR and extrapolated in the ICCPR, the ICESCR, and other documents. Ishay is aware of the inconsistencies built into these documents. As a political and social historian, Ishay is interested in illuminating the role of past struggles in bringing different forms of rights into widespread recognition. In effect, Ishay challenges both teleology (or the idea that rights magically and inevitably unfold over time) and the opposite idea that there has been little progress in human rights. In an effort to combat Eurocentrism, other scholars have emphasized the contributions of non-Western cultures to human rights. I am very receptive to this approach.</p>
<p>It is clear that the so-called “third generation” is often a hodge-podge that includes “aspirational rights” and “soft law.” For example, some authors have placed environmental rights in this category.</p>
<p>In any case, in proposing “rights bundles”—such as longevity, peace, and the full development of the person—I am deliberately moving beyond the three generations and cutting across the categories (civil and political, economic and social, group and cultural). In asserting that rights bundles can be invented, I presuppose (a) that rights are created by a process of claim-making by exploited or marginalized people (and the organizations they produce or support) and claim-recognition by authorities (especially government officials), (b) that the discourse on human rights is malleable and subject to competing interpretations, and (c) that what is “thinkable” in terms of human rights varies across historical time and geographic space. Other authors have proposed different rights bundles. It seems to me that the construction of rights bundles can be a useful exercise for human rights educators. I like the idea of encouraging students to propose and defend packages of rights. At the very least, this is a useful form of skills training. </p>
<p>In a similar vein, I would encourage students to think through the distinction between “negative” and “positive” rights, the distinction between individual” and “collective” rights, etc. These distinctions can form a useful basis for dialogue even if they do not withstand various tests for defensibility and utility.</p>
<p>There may be an ontological foundation of human rights. Bryan Turner and others have pointed to human vulnerability as a possible basis for universalism. But I did not see the need to address this issue in my article. Whether or not one finds an ontological grounding for human rights may have an influence on whether one believes in the possibility of universalism. For my part, I do believe in the possibility of a non-Eurocentric or global universalism that provides for cultural specificity. But that question leads one into global governance (and the institutions that would comprise it)—an area that falls well beyond the purview of my article.</p>
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